Please post your current events & commentary here. Aim for responding to your classmates' postings about current events at least once every other week.
This past summer at the end of May, University of Cincinnati student, Brogan Dulle, went missing on May 18th, and was found deceased on May 26th. Dulle went missing after friends stated that he left his phone in Clifton and did not return to the apartment. Immediately police, family, friends, which included over 200 search teams went looking for Brogan. Finally, his body was found on the morning of May 26th in a partially vacant building right next to his apartment dead. Police announced that the death ended up being an asphyxiation by hanging and that the death was a suicide. I chose this current event because Brogan Dulle's death is still a mystery. Though many reporters state that Dulle suffered from depression, there is not a clear answer as to why he chose to intentionally end his own life. Suicide can take place for many reasons such as having a mental disorders such as drug abuse, depression, bipolar disorder and is a lot of times committed out of despair. Today, many are still trying to figure out why Dulle did not search for help by telling his friends, family or colleagues. This particular current event is eye opening because being in a death and dying course, and Dulle being a college student, that death is all around us. Whether one is ill either mentally, physically, or emotionally, death can happen at any time.
It's funny that you decided to choose this particular event because it was the same one I was going to do. The reason why I was going to choose to talk about this event is because it is personally really close to not only me but also my township. Brogan and I went to the same high school and although we didn't talk every day we did have a couple of conversations together that I will never forget. Just like how the article you posted says that there were over 200 search teams that went looking for Brogan, I am proud to say that I was one out of many individuals who participated in the search for him. Overall, just like you said this event is very eye opening especially since it is about someone I know it is still very heart wrenching to think that death can happen to anyone anywhere at anytime.
This event was to me a great example of a common public misunderstanding. Coming from someone who has had two classmates kill themselves, and a family member attempt it we must understand that it can happen to anyone. The entire time this event aired all over television and social media many people commented there is no way this was a suicide. Meaning Brogan was not one of those people who would ever do that. However, it can happen to anyone. Suicide does not just affect the kid that is raised in a broken home with nobody to turn towards. It can happen to the happiest kid with the most of everything. I believe that this is something we forget, and it is so crucial to not act like anyone is above or below its reach. We must invest into the mental health of our society because anything else would be inadequate.
Throughout high school it seemed like we lost a classmate or an alumni every year to suicide. I will always remember the devastating loss and lack of words that follows such awful news. Not only did it impact the students but the faculty really takes it hard. People underestimate how much they are loved and as a psychology major I believe mental health is often overlooked. There is nothing to be ashamed of and I hope that current students keep this in perspective because you never know what someone is going through. I encourage people to try to be patient, kind, and understanding because you may just be the difference in that person's day to keep them from such a tragedy
This also hit close because the Dulle family and mine belong to the same church and live in the same township. It was a very sad and tragic event. Suicide seems more and more prevalent today. I don't know if that is because of the media attention or if it really is more prevalent. I think suicide is something that we will never truly understand. We never know what someone is truly going through. Someone could appear happy on the outside but not be on the inside. It is difficult thing to comprehend and a very sad time when it does happen.
Link to a story about a man who died after proposing to his girlfriend. This brings up a topic I think everyone struggles with. Why do people die so young?
Stories like this are hard to take, whether they are about someone you know personally or someone you've never met. It is extremely difficult to not want to place blame on someone or something for the death, especially when there is no certain explanation. It always seems unfair for young, thriving people to die. Unfortunately, Parker died on the best day of his life. But I always find solace in the feeling that there is a reason for everything in life. Judging from all of the comments in the article, Parker lived a wonderful life, it just ended sooner than expected. He touched everyone he met in a positive way, and it is better to think about the joy he experienced while he was alive instead of what he missed out on because of an early death.
This makes me think of a slightly different version of the question that people always ask, "why do good people always die young?" I have never really understood the question because to me, everyone dies. Some people die when they are young, some people die when they are ancient. I don't think that the percent of "good" people who die young is greater than that of "bad" people who die young. It seems to me that we just care more about the "good" people then we do the "bad." Because of this, we notice when the "good" people die but we don't really care when the "bad" people die.
When a servant of the community dies young there are all sorts of events, vigils, and media coverage. However when a gang member dies at an early age society says "he had it coming." I don't know exactly what I am getting at here...but this is just something I thought about this topic.
This summer stories surfaced about children being left in hot cars all day because parents "forget" about their child. Children are not like forgetting your purse in the car. How do these parents forget their children in the car? These parents should be charged with murder it is your job as a parent of a young child to be responsible for them. Forgetting your child in your car all day is child abuse and these cases need to be handled as such not as an accident. I hope with all the recent stories of leaving children in hot cars makes people more aware of this situation to the point where it does not happen anymore because to me it is unnecessary death to such young lives.
I completely agree that this is starting to become a big issue. No matter if the child is being silent throughout the ride, a parent should not forget that they brought their child along. Since this is something that has become such a huge issue I hope that people do start to realize that this is a problem and it needs to be fixed.
I agree completely that that these parents should face some criminal charges. How can only around 50% of these cases result in criminal charges? This reminds me of another case that happened locally a few years ago. In this case the woman was not charged because the prosecutor argued that "A mistake is not a crime". That's a horrible argument since many mistakes are in fact considered crimes. I remember being amazed that any parent could be so careless as to completely forget about their own child being in the car with them. It is appalling that over 500 children have died as a result of being left in a hot car. This needs to become something that people are more aware of so that this doesn't happen again. Here is an article talking about the local case I mentioned in my response: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3570651
I would have to say I agree as well. I think as a parent it's important to understand that your child is now your life. Their well-being needs to come first 100% of the time, no exceptions. And I agree with Tyler's response about the local incident. The argument "A mistake is not a crime" should not hold up in any court room, especially one that is dealing with the case of the death of a child. Children are so innocent, and at young ages they are so dependent upon their parents or legal guardians.
I have to agree with you Emily. I find it appalling that a parent could just forget their child. A child is completely dependent on their parent for care and protection. It is the responsibility and obligation of that parent to ensure the safety and well being of his or her child. To just leave your child in a car and have them die as a result of that is inexcusable. A person cannot just 'forget' their child in a car. You made sure the child got in the car in the first place, so you should make sure the child gets out with you. In addition, it is not likely a aren't just forgot their child in the backseat because an 8 year old child would be talking and making noise. Also, an 8 year old child takes up a decent amount of space; it is not like they are very small and can be overlooked and 'forgot' about. Tyler, I found it astonishing that only 50% of these cases are charged as criminal. I think all cases should be charged and prosecuted as murder. A parent neglected his or her child, which resulted in them dying. A parent is responsible for their child since a child is unable to care for themselves. Therefore, if a child dies because of a parents neglect and being a poor parent, the parent should be charged with murder because they killed his or her own, innocent child.
This article seems to highlight the effects of potential death on an entire population. It is speaking about the spread of the Ebola virus in Nigeria. It describes the length at which people are going to to try to prevent contracting this awful virus. "Dying before our deaths" seems like a very accurate assessment based on this account. Avoiding bush meat while consuming large quantities of kola leaves to ward off the Ebola virus. All of this being done without any information to support any of it. This reminds me of a talk that I heard from a missionary from Africa who had been a hospital chaplain during an Ebola outbreak. He talked about how dark and dreary the atmosphere was during that time and it seems that that exact atmosphere is currently hanging over Nigeria.
This article was really interesting Tyler. It was definitely dark and eerie, at least when he was talking about his time there. With the recent Ebola outbreak, more and more light is being shed on the disease and those who suffer from it. I think it is really interesting hearing these different accounts and stories of what it is really like suffering from it and being surrounded by it.
This summer the world was stunned when Robin Williams committed suicide. The question everyone wanted an answer to is, why? This article is from a psychologist who points out that today there is still so much we don't understand about mental illness. Unfortunately, suicide is a leading cause of death in the U.S. It is the 10th leading cause, higher than homicide, and yet we still know so little about it. Just like death itself, suicide is a topic that people don't want to talk about in our society. The author also voices something I have been thinking myself, if something good comes from Robin William's death, it should be raised awareness.
I agree with you Robbie in that suicide awareness is a very positive thing. However, clinical psychologists are on high alert after Robin William's death but historically there have been increased number of suicides across the country after someone famous commits suicide. To some of the mentally ill it is as if it gives them the strength and permission to kill themselves. Therefore, we must continually raise suicidal awareness before and after major tragedies to help bring suicide under control
I believe that suicide is a tough topic to handle as my aunt committed suicide. I do believe that this hit close to home as i Robin Williams was an intricate part to my childhood. I believe that this goes to show it doesnt matter how one looks on the outside individuals struggle constantly with events that friends and family are oblivious to.
Yesterday, September 2nd, video was released of Steven Sotloff, an American journalist, being beheaded by Islamic Extremist group ISIS. ISIS claims that this was in retaliation to US airstrikes. This video came out just two weeks after the video of the beheading of US journalist James Foley. In the video, the extremist threatens that they will kill a Briton next, as Britain is a close ally to the United States. The group warns any and all that allying with the United States will only end badly for them.
It is tragic to me that this senseless violence continues day after day. I understand how naive it would be of me to ask "why can't we all just get along?" But in the same breath, I can't help but think that. Sadly, it does not seem like there will be any peaceful resolution to this crisis. As time goes on, it seems that the only solution to this problem is more bloodshed. The real question becomes "when will it be enough?
Throughout the summer, headline after headline has documented the strange case of the "slenderman stabbing." Two 12 year old girls were charged with stabbing their friend some 19 times in the woods in a mock setup of the popular internet game slender man. In the ensuing months, the chilling details that came out as the investigation proceeded was disturbing to say the least. I have long said that modern-day television combined with video games have been desensitizing people to the fact of the heinous nature of murder and the fact that death is forever. In the 1950s-60s a popular crime drama titled "Perry Mason" had great popularity. Each episode was centered on how Mr. Mason defended his clients by conducting his own investigation into the real culprit of the deceased's murder. While some of the scenes were "intense" for the time period, they did not even come close to the amount of detail shown on modern day crime shows and video games. We, as a society, have gone from angling the camera or fading to black on the physical act of murder in our shows and games, to showing every gory detail and allowing the character played in a game to commit murder or be murdered in plain view. As a result, people, especially the youth, have a difficult time differentiating a game from real life and thus assimilate the two unawares. On a show or game, the person playing the deceased character gets up and appears in other shows or on other levels of the game after the level is "reset." In life there is no such "reset." Nevertheless, as long as we continue to be desensitized to watching the life be taken from another's physical body while sitting on our couches eating dinner, stories like these will, I fear, be more commonplace.
Wow, this is a very disturbing article! This made me feel sick, thinking that such young girls (my little sister is 12 years old) could be capable of such violence for such a silly reason. I definitely agree with you, Cody. It certainly seems like video games are desensitizing people and making death not seem as real and permanent as it is, as well as making violence seem "okay." Our culture is rapidly becoming a culture of death rather than one of life and the media, especially video games and television, seem to be playing a big role in this. If death is treated more seriously in fiction, it will be treated as such in the real world as well.
This article about a father who died while running a triathlon on Labor Day strikes me in particular because I am a runner and was thinking about doing a triathlon this September. In addition, at my first cross country race of last season, a girl passed out and died several days later. This hit very close to home especially since she was so young and was a good athlete. It definitely makes me realize how quickly something could go wrong and death could happen anywhere, at any time, to anyone. The unpredictability of death is really what makes me most scared of death and this is an excellent example. I run races all of the time and realizing that I could die in the middle of a race all of a sudden really makes me think about death differently.
This article makes me feel grateful that I live in a country were I can practice my faith without fear of persecution. I am thankful for those who have and continue to keep me and my family safe. The article above is about a man in Iraq who was captured by an extremist group. The man featured in the article is from Iraq, his story is about how he escaped death and eventually found his way home and he shared his story. I found it uplifting that this man was able to fake death in order to survive, even though many other men did die.
http://www.wlwt.com/news/Coroner-Brogan-Dulle-s-death-was-suicide/26179856#!bG03xh
ReplyDeleteThis past summer at the end of May, University of Cincinnati student, Brogan Dulle, went missing on May 18th, and was found deceased on May 26th. Dulle went missing after friends stated that he left his phone in Clifton and did not return to the apartment. Immediately police, family, friends, which included over 200 search teams went looking for Brogan. Finally, his body was found on the morning of May 26th in a partially vacant building right next to his apartment dead. Police announced that the death ended up being an asphyxiation by hanging and that the death was a suicide. I chose this current event because Brogan Dulle's death is still a mystery. Though many reporters state that Dulle suffered from depression, there is not a clear answer as to why he chose to intentionally end his own life. Suicide can take place for many reasons such as having a mental disorders such as drug abuse, depression, bipolar disorder and is a lot of times committed out of despair. Today, many are still trying to figure out why Dulle did not search for help by telling his friends, family or colleagues. This particular current event is eye opening because being in a death and dying course, and Dulle being a college student, that death is all around us. Whether one is ill either mentally, physically, or emotionally, death can happen at any time.
It's funny that you decided to choose this particular event because it was the same one I was going to do. The reason why I was going to choose to talk about this event is because it is personally really close to not only me but also my township. Brogan and I went to the same high school and although we didn't talk every day we did have a couple of conversations together that I will never forget. Just like how the article you posted says that there were over 200 search teams that went looking for Brogan, I am proud to say that I was one out of many individuals who participated in the search for him. Overall, just like you said this event is very eye opening especially since it is about someone I know it is still very heart wrenching to think that death can happen to anyone anywhere at anytime.
DeleteThis event was to me a great example of a common public misunderstanding. Coming from someone who has had two classmates kill themselves, and a family member attempt it we must understand that it can happen to anyone. The entire time this event aired all over television and social media many people commented there is no way this was a suicide. Meaning Brogan was not one of those people who would ever do that. However, it can happen to anyone. Suicide does not just affect the kid that is raised in a broken home with nobody to turn towards. It can happen to the happiest kid with the most of everything. I believe that this is something we forget, and it is so crucial to not act like anyone is above or below its reach. We must invest into the mental health of our society because anything else would be inadequate.
DeleteThroughout high school it seemed like we lost a classmate or an alumni every year to suicide. I will always remember the devastating loss and lack of words that follows such awful news. Not only did it impact the students but the faculty really takes it hard. People underestimate how much they are loved and as a psychology major I believe mental health is often overlooked. There is nothing to be ashamed of and I hope that current students keep this in perspective because you never know what someone is going through. I encourage people to try to be patient, kind, and understanding because you may just be the difference in that person's day to keep them from such a tragedy
DeleteThis also hit close because the Dulle family and mine belong to the same church and live in the same township. It was a very sad and tragic event. Suicide seems more and more prevalent today. I don't know if that is because of the media attention or if it really is more prevalent. I think suicide is something that we will never truly understand. We never know what someone is truly going through. Someone could appear happy on the outside but not be on the inside. It is difficult thing to comprehend and a very sad time when it does happen.
Deletehttp://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Yosemite-rock-climber-falls-dies-after-proposing-5698657.php
ReplyDeleteLink to a story about a man who died after proposing to his girlfriend. This brings up a topic I think everyone struggles with. Why do people die so young?
Stories like this are hard to take, whether they are about someone you know personally or someone you've never met. It is extremely difficult to not want to place blame on someone or something for the death, especially when there is no certain explanation. It always seems unfair for young, thriving people to die. Unfortunately, Parker died on the best day of his life. But I always find solace in the feeling that there is a reason for everything in life. Judging from all of the comments in the article, Parker lived a wonderful life, it just ended sooner than expected. He touched everyone he met in a positive way, and it is better to think about the joy he experienced while he was alive instead of what he missed out on because of an early death.
DeleteThis makes me think of a slightly different version of the question that people always ask, "why do good people always die young?" I have never really understood the question because to me, everyone dies. Some people die when they are young, some people die when they are ancient. I don't think that the percent of "good" people who die young is greater than that of "bad" people who die young. It seems to me that we just care more about the "good" people then we do the "bad." Because of this, we notice when the "good" people die but we don't really care when the "bad" people die.
DeleteWhen a servant of the community dies young there are all sorts of events, vigils, and media coverage. However when a gang member dies at an early age society says "he had it coming." I don't know exactly what I am getting at here...but this is just something I thought about this topic.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/21/justice/child-car-homicide-connecticut/
ReplyDeleteThis summer stories surfaced about children being left in hot cars all day because parents "forget" about their child. Children are not like forgetting your purse in the car. How do these parents forget their children in the car? These parents should be charged with murder it is your job as a parent of a young child to be responsible for them. Forgetting your child in your car all day is child abuse and these cases need to be handled as such not as an accident. I hope with all the recent stories of leaving children in hot cars makes people more aware of this situation to the point where it does not happen anymore because to me it is unnecessary death to such young lives.
I completely agree that this is starting to become a big issue. No matter if the child is being silent throughout the ride, a parent should not forget that they brought their child along. Since this is something that has become such a huge issue I hope that people do start to realize that this is a problem and it needs to be fixed.
DeleteI agree completely that that these parents should face some criminal charges. How can only around 50% of these cases result in criminal charges? This reminds me of another case that happened locally a few years ago. In this case the woman was not charged because the prosecutor argued that "A mistake is not a crime". That's a horrible argument since many mistakes are in fact considered crimes. I remember being amazed that any parent could be so careless as to completely forget about their own child being in the car with them. It is appalling that over 500 children have died as a result of being left in a hot car. This needs to become something that people are more aware of so that this doesn't happen again.
DeleteHere is an article talking about the local case I mentioned in my response: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3570651
I would have to say I agree as well. I think as a parent it's important to understand that your child is now your life. Their well-being needs to come first 100% of the time, no exceptions. And I agree with Tyler's response about the local incident. The argument "A mistake is not a crime" should not hold up in any court room, especially one that is dealing with the case of the death of a child. Children are so innocent, and at young ages they are so dependent upon their parents or legal guardians.
DeleteI have to agree with you Emily. I find it appalling that a parent could just forget their child. A child is completely dependent on their parent for care and protection. It is the responsibility and obligation of that parent to ensure the safety and well being of his or her child. To just leave your child in a car and have them die as a result of that is inexcusable. A person cannot just 'forget' their child in a car. You made sure the child got in the car in the first place, so you should make sure the child gets out with you. In addition, it is not likely a aren't just forgot their child in the backseat because an 8 year old child would be talking and making noise. Also, an 8 year old child takes up a decent amount of space; it is not like they are very small and can be overlooked and 'forgot' about.
DeleteTyler, I found it astonishing that only 50% of these cases are charged as criminal. I think all cases should be charged and prosecuted as murder. A parent neglected his or her child, which resulted in them dying. A parent is responsible for their child since a child is unable to care for themselves. Therefore, if a child dies because of a parents neglect and being a poor parent, the parent should be charged with murder because they killed his or her own, innocent child.
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=79399
ReplyDeleteThis article seems to highlight the effects of potential death on an entire population. It is speaking about the spread of the Ebola virus in Nigeria. It describes the length at which people are going to to try to prevent contracting this awful virus. "Dying before our deaths" seems like a very accurate assessment based on this account. Avoiding bush meat while consuming large quantities of kola leaves to ward off the Ebola virus. All of this being done without any information to support any of it. This reminds me of a talk that I heard from a missionary from Africa who had been a hospital chaplain during an Ebola outbreak. He talked about how dark and dreary the atmosphere was during that time and it seems that that exact atmosphere is currently hanging over Nigeria.
This article was really interesting Tyler. It was definitely dark and eerie, at least when he was talking about his time there. With the recent Ebola outbreak, more and more light is being shed on the disease and those who suffer from it. I think it is really interesting hearing these different accounts and stories of what it is really like suffering from it and being surrounded by it.
Deletehttp://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/08/29/a-reflection-on-robin-williams-death/
ReplyDeleteThis summer the world was stunned when Robin Williams committed suicide. The question everyone wanted an answer to is, why? This article is from a psychologist who points out that today there is still so much we don't understand about mental illness. Unfortunately, suicide is a leading cause of death in the U.S. It is the 10th leading cause, higher than homicide, and yet we still know so little about it. Just like death itself, suicide is a topic that people don't want to talk about in our society. The author also voices something I have been thinking myself, if something good comes from Robin William's death, it should be raised awareness.
I agree with you Robbie in that suicide awareness is a very positive thing. However, clinical psychologists are on high alert after Robin William's death but historically there have been increased number of suicides across the country after someone famous commits suicide. To some of the mentally ill it is as if it gives them the strength and permission to kill themselves. Therefore, we must continually raise suicidal awareness before and after major tragedies to help bring suicide under control
DeleteI believe that suicide is a tough topic to handle as my aunt committed suicide. I do believe that this hit close to home as i Robin Williams was an intricate part to my childhood. I believe that this goes to show it doesnt matter how one looks on the outside individuals struggle constantly with events that friends and family are oblivious to.
Deletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740998/ISIS-release-video-showing-beheading-American-journalist-Steven-Sotloff.html
ReplyDeleteYesterday, September 2nd, video was released of Steven Sotloff, an American journalist, being beheaded by Islamic Extremist group ISIS. ISIS claims that this was in retaliation to US airstrikes. This video came out just two weeks after the video of the beheading of US journalist James Foley. In the video, the extremist threatens that they will kill a Briton next, as Britain is a close ally to the United States. The group warns any and all that allying with the United States will only end badly for them.
It is tragic to me that this senseless violence continues day after day. I understand how naive it would be of me to ask "why can't we all just get along?" But in the same breath, I can't help but think that. Sadly, it does not seem like there will be any peaceful resolution to this crisis. As time goes on, it seems that the only solution to this problem is more bloodshed. The real question becomes "when will it be enough?
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/slender-man-stabbing/girl-stabbing-suspects-charged-adults-n120861
ReplyDeleteThroughout the summer, headline after headline has documented the strange case of the "slenderman stabbing." Two 12 year old girls were charged with stabbing their friend some 19 times in the woods in a mock setup of the popular internet game slender man. In the ensuing months, the chilling details that came out as the investigation proceeded was disturbing to say the least. I have long said that modern-day television combined with video games have been desensitizing people to the fact of the heinous nature of murder and the fact that death is forever. In the 1950s-60s a popular crime drama titled "Perry Mason" had great popularity. Each episode was centered on how Mr. Mason defended his clients by conducting his own investigation into the real culprit of the deceased's murder. While some of the scenes were "intense" for the time period, they did not even come close to the amount of detail shown on modern day crime shows and video games. We, as a society, have gone from angling the camera or fading to black on the physical act of murder in our shows and games, to showing every gory detail and allowing the character played in a game to commit murder or be murdered in plain view. As a result, people, especially the youth, have a difficult time differentiating a game from real life and thus assimilate the two unawares. On a show or game, the person playing the deceased character gets up and appears in other shows or on other levels of the game after the level is "reset." In life there is no such "reset." Nevertheless, as long as we continue to be desensitized to watching the life be taken from another's physical body while sitting on our couches eating dinner, stories like these will, I fear, be more commonplace.
Wow, this is a very disturbing article! This made me feel sick, thinking that such young girls (my little sister is 12 years old) could be capable of such violence for such a silly reason. I definitely agree with you, Cody. It certainly seems like video games are desensitizing people and making death not seem as real and permanent as it is, as well as making violence seem "okay." Our culture is rapidly becoming a culture of death rather than one of life and the media, especially video games and television, seem to be playing a big role in this. If death is treated more seriously in fiction, it will be treated as such in the real world as well.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1746175/
ReplyDeletehttp://www.click2houston.com/news/man-dies-during-towne-lake-triathlon-in-cypress/27846738
ReplyDeleteThis article about a father who died while running a triathlon on Labor Day strikes me in particular because I am a runner and was thinking about doing a triathlon this September. In addition, at my first cross country race of last season, a girl passed out and died several days later. This hit very close to home especially since she was so young and was a good athlete. It definitely makes me realize how quickly something could go wrong and death could happen anywhere, at any time, to anyone. The unpredictability of death is really what makes me most scared of death and this is an excellent example. I run races all of the time and realizing that I could die in the middle of a race all of a sudden really makes me think about death differently.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/world/middleeast/surviving-isis-massacre-iraq-video.html?_r=0
ReplyDeleteThis article makes me feel grateful that I live in a country were I can practice my faith without fear of persecution. I am thankful for those who have and continue to keep me and my family safe. The article above is about a man in Iraq who was captured by an extremist group. The man featured in the article is from Iraq, his story is about how he escaped death and eventually found his way home and he shared his story. I found it uplifting that this man was able to fake death in order to survive, even though many other men did die.